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Wrath Of Dragons · Jul 17, 2008, 04:56 PM // 16:56

If you are really concerned, I would say get a monster branded one. Yes they are overpriced, and have this whole useless "clean power" thing going on, but heres something I like about them:
they have no "switch". When power surges, it just destroys the path the electricity comes in at. Theres no need to worry about the switch not being fast enough. Monster protectors come with a lifetime warranty, so just take it to your local Monster seller. Bestbuy i think, as well as radioshack, and they should replace it for free.

fusa · Jul 17, 2008, 07:00 PM // 19:00

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Originally Posted by Quaker

Lol. Some of this is getting pretty funny.
@Fusa again - that story about "magical" lightning arrestors is not about lightning rods. It's about other devices that claim to work as well as lightning rods. Lightning rods do work.

Lightning rods working are myths form well over 100's of years ago. Try reading through the website I posted (http://www.lightningsafety.com/). Might want o also check their qualifications (emeritus professors, phd's md's....I would rely on those a lot mroe than a lot of bs form some idiot on guru) Lightning acts randomly, it MIGHT strike a lightnign rod, but more likely to strike anywhere. They can't guarantee in anyway that they will attract lightning bolts, and keep them from jumping to other parts of the structure. The manufacturers were cited in superior court for falsely advertising their guarantee of 100% protection. http://www.azd.uscourts.gov/azd/courtopinions.nsf/1DB7B5E03152EF3807256DD500581E37/$file/96-2796-341.pdf?openelement

Surge protectors don't react faster then 93,000,000 mps. Its has to detect the sudden surge and shut it off, by the time that is done its already passed through the surge protector.

As zenmai said only way to 100% protect yourself unplug it during a lightning storm.

Dark Kal · Jul 18, 2008, 07:02 AM // 07:02

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Originally Posted by fusa

Oops mistyped mps as mph, either way its still much faster than surge proectors can react and STILL 1/2 the speed as I stated before.

So now you're saying lightning travels faster than light? Since the speed of light is approximately 186,282 miles per second.

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Your magical lighting rod isn't going to protect you any better than an ornament on your house.

Yeah, I'm sure the laws of physics are wrong and you're right.

Charge Transfer Systems and Early Streamer Emission air terminals do not equal lightning rods, they're specific lightning prevention systems. This further proves you know very little about lightning and electricity.

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emeritus professors, phd's md's....I would rely on those a lot mroe than a lot of bs form some idiot on guru

I'm pretty sure that falls under flaming but I'll let it slide.

fusa · Jul 18, 2008, 12:13 PM // 12:13

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Originally Posted by Dark Kal

So now you're saying lightning travels faster than light? Since the speed of light is approximately 186,282 miles per second.

Yeah, I'm sure the laws of physics are wrong and you're right.

Charge Transfer Systems and Early Streamer Emission air terminals do not equal lightning rods, they're specific lightning prevention systems. This further proves you know very little about lightning and electricity.

I'm pretty sure that falls under flaming but I'll let it slide.

As I said its 1/2 the speed, I mistyped 93,000,000 mph , which should have been 93,000 mps. I checked wikipedia for the speed which they have listed as 186,282.397 which for someone using screen resolution of 2048x1536 looks a lot like 186,282,397.

Also if you new what you were talking about, which you know absolutely nothing, you would know air terminals are modern day lightning rods. The charged charged transfer systems and air terminals are just as unreliable as lightning rods. Its another way the companies rip off the public, that's why they were cited in US Supreme Court. Maybe you should research some of the bullshit you spew in these forums instead of making yourself into a complete idiot.

But I guess these idiots Dark Kai and Quaker know much more than the independent group of PhD's MD's and Professors who spend there careers researching how to protect from lightning strikes. Try reading http://www.lightningsafety.com it covers air terminals, lightning rods and charged transfer systems. They also have photos for the reading impaired here of buildings which burned from lightning strikes with lightning rods on them.

Dark Kal · Jul 18, 2008, 12:50 PM // 12:50

I'm just going to drop the arguement before it becomes more out of hand then it already has. On a side-note it's Dark Kal with an "L".

zamial · Jul 18, 2008, 01:36 PM // 13:36

Please be civil. I know that from time to time it can be hard. But we really look down on this kind of behavior. If you want to light someone up, head over to sardelac trolls and tards there o plenty. We are all trying to help here.
KTHXBYE

On topic. I have worked on a universities help desk. The ameritus profs. are really far out of touch with times. 99% of the time ameritus means retired = old, crazy old. We got calls like: "MY internet is broken here. Is it broken over by you?", "My eudora is broken.", "I can't download the internet anymore" and my personal favy "My computer is really slow" (on a windows 95 machine with maybe 128 mb of ram and a prehistoric proccessor.) I am not saying that report is wrong, I am saying that the ameritus profs, while smart, can be really out of touch.

ducktape · Jul 18, 2008, 03:04 PM // 15:04

Well, I already bought one, since it was a long time that went by without anyone replying and there were thunderstorms every damn day following my original post. I got a Philips one since it had phone jacks to protect my DSL line, and because it was the only one at the store that had a warranty covering surge, brownout, and lightning strike.

However, since you guys pointed out how good it is to have a UPS if you have a bad electrical system where you live, I'm going to buy one of those too. My building probably has the most terribad electrical system ever. Thanks for the tip about APC stuff clicking loudly and beeping incessantly when it's mad, I would have bought theirs otherwise since all our mega-UPS devices at work are from them and seem to work well.

For anyone who wants to lol at how bad my electrical system is, the idiot maintenance guys (they don't use any certified electricians) have outlets wired in a way that a 2-plug outlet will only have one plug working - no, the other plug in the outlet is not dependant on being enabled by a light switch, it just doesn't work. There are also certain outlets that have working plugs, but for some reason can power anything except for my vacuum. Every year, all summer long, the power gets f***ed up a few times a month, where everyone in my building will suddenly lose power to all the outlets on the left side of their living room, back wall of the kitchen, and right side of every other room (all the other outlets in the apartments will work though) and this will happen several times throughout the day and then magically fix itself in the middle of the night. Every summer they do "maintenance" on the "main power line" to the building to "correct occasional electrical problems", but the power still epic fails just as badly afterwards.

So...yeah. Gonna get a UPS to protect my computer from maintenance's electrical cooties.

Quaker · Jul 18, 2008, 04:07 PM // 16:07

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Originally Posted by ducktape

For anyone who wants to lol at how bad my electrical system is, the idiot maintenance guys (they don't use any certified electricians) have outlets wired in a way that a 2-plug outlet will only have one plug working - no, the other plug in the outlet is not dependant on being enabled by a light switch, it just doesn't work. There are also certain outlets that have working plugs, but for some reason can power anything except for my vacuum. Every year, all summer long, the power gets f***ed up a few times a month, where everyone in my building will suddenly lose power to all the outlets on the left side of their living room, back wall of the kitchen, and right side of every other room (all the other outlets in the apartments will work though) and this will happen several times throughout the day and then magically fix itself in the middle of the night. Every summer they do "maintenance" on the "main power line" to the building to "correct occasional electrical problems", but the power still epic fails just as badly afterwards.

Lol! I'd love to get a look at that system.

Some outlets have a metal connector(s) between the two sockets that can be snapped off in case you want to wire them to separate circuits. My guess on the outlet where only one circuit works is that they used an outlet where one of the connectors got snapped off. It should be just a simple matter of replacing the outlet, or using a short jumper wire to replace the connector. If you have access to shut off power to the circuit, it's an easy DIY project. (I'd read up on proper 3-wire outlet wiring first, though - given the state of the system, there's apt to be some "anomalies".

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ducktape · Jul 18, 2008, 05:26 PM // 17:26

Cool, thanks. I just thought the half-your-outlet-doesn't-work problem was that they forgot to hook that one plug up to the light switch, and that the second plug in the outlet was the was the always-on plug and had been connected properly. I'll check and see if they maybe just broke that connector off, I'd like to replace the outlet plug for sure if that's all it is.

I am sure when I get my new UPS I will have more electrical things to lol at, like low power warnings and power surge warnings every week. One question though, do I plug it as:
Wall -> Surge Protector -> UPS -> PC
or
Wall -> UPS -> Surge Protector -> PC

I assume the first one, with surge protector directly into the wall, is correct?

Chthon · Jul 19, 2008, 01:35 AM // 01:35

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Originally Posted by ducktape

Cool, thanks. I just thought the half-your-outlet-doesn't-work problem was that they forgot to hook that one plug up to the light switch, and that the second plug in the outlet was the was the always-on plug and had been connected properly. I'll check and see if they maybe just broke that connector off, I'd like to replace the outlet plug for sure if that's all it is.

I am sure when I get my new UPS I will have more electrical things to lol at, like low power warnings and power surge warnings every week. One question though, do I plug it as:
Wall -> Surge Protector -> UPS -> PC
or
Wall -> UPS -> Surge Protector -> PC

I assume the first one, with surge protector directly into the wall, is correct?

Most UPS's require that they be plugged directly into the wall.

Quaker · Jul 19, 2008, 02:10 PM // 14:10

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Originally Posted by ducktape

Wall -> Surge Protector -> UPS -> PC
or
Wall -> UPS -> Surge Protector -> PC

Most UPSs have a surge protector built in, so you shouldn't need a separate one anyway. But, otherwise, yes, SP then UPS.

Snograt · Jul 19, 2008, 02:18 PM // 14:18

Sooooo....

outlet-sp-ups doesn't work

outlet-ups-sp is pointless (can't see a spike getting through a ups - though if you're really paranoid...)

ljonesj · Jul 20, 2008, 12:13 AM // 00:13

i have a couple of surge protectors hooked up to my ups just to give me a few extra outlers but i have checked to make sure its ok and i still have a ton of room left on my estimate in my ups systems program

Lord Sojar · Jul 20, 2008, 04:30 AM // 04:30

Get an Cyberpower UPS/SP, because they don't cost much and are highly effective.